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12 July 2013 @ 10:40 pm
Getting it down now while I still remember.  
Sunday mornings; waking early and being as quiet as mice - my sister and I would take ourselves outside and play as quietly as possible so as not to wake our parents. The hope, usually forlorn, was that we wouldn't have to go to Sunday School if mum and dad slept in. Sadly it didn't work all that often.

The church in which I grew up demanded attendance twice per day on Sundays - firstly Sunday School, which was for adults as well as children, and then in the afternoon everyone had to front up for Sacrament. On the first Sunday of every month there was only an hour between the two, because the first Sunday was Fasting Sunday and the fast could end after Sacrament.

I haven't been inside a church of that religion since I was 16, when one of my good friends got married. I'm quite happy to never ever cross their portal again. However some of the teachings that were indoctrinated still persist; for example it was a guiding principle that you always had a months' worth of food on hand in case of emergency, and that's something that I just can't shake. I don't feel secure unless I could eat out of my cupboard / freezer for a month without replenishment.

Another early memory of that church / religion also concerns food. We had two Elders who were frequent visitors. Both of them hailed from the US and they were astonished that we'd never heard of pizza; this was 1965 and at that time the only immigrants in our locality were English so we'd not been exposed to other cultures at all. I well remember one Saturday when I was six years old, and the two Elders banished us from the kitchen while they prepared pizza from scratch. It was the most delicious meal I'd ever tasted!
Current Mood: nostalgicnostalgic
kiwisuekiwisue on July 12th, 2013 01:10 pm (UTC)
I was nominally pressbutton: there was a weekly Sunday school, which we attended semi-regularly, and there was an all-ages service in the local hall once a month, which my mother attended occasionally, my dad almost never. My Nana married a Catholic after Dad's father died, although she never gave up her original brand of faith. Somehow that was unusual and made for awkward conversations, especially when I acquired a Catholic boyfriend for a year or so while at university.

In p***** school one of my classmates was LDS and I went to a couple of interesting (unusual, but nice) home nights with her family, complete with visiting Elders :)
I sometimes think about that one month rule, completely separately from any of the religious ideas. Unfortunately, it takes effort to make sure your supplies aren't going out of date - not a win for me!
miwahni: Boosh Soup crimpmiwahni on July 13th, 2013 04:10 am (UTC)
My father wouldn't have been pleased if I'd brought home a Catholic boyfriend - he detested Catholics and I never really knew why.

I'm hopeless at rotating stock and often discover cans at the back of the pantry whose use-by date was passed a few years ago :-)
Strike while the irony is hot: [EMATE] CUPPAdraycevixen on July 12th, 2013 01:39 pm (UTC)

While my mother was raised Chapel (shorthand in Gloucestershire for Baptist), we attended Church of England and that's where my older brother and I were baptised once my mother got tired of my dad's opposition and just took us there anyway. I was four and old enough to remember getting the water cross drawn on my head. After we moved from London to Gloucestershire we went to sunday school at Chapel. The whole thing was pretty laid back all round, as the protestant church experience tended to be in England with no strictures like twice on Sunday church, fasting or keeping that much food around.

Still, the US has changed forever my concept of what straight jacketed religion is all round. None of my church experience in England involved having others doing your thinking for you and here ministers will preach from the pulpit about who you should vote for.
miwahni: Pros Bats for the other sidemiwahni on July 13th, 2013 04:13 am (UTC)
Baptism in my childhood church was by full immersion, and not conducted until you were eight years old at which time you were considered to be old enough to understand the difference between right and wrong, and also old enough to commit yourself to the church.

I can't imagine having the church get involved in matters of state, though. What happened to the separation of church and state?
Strike while the irony is hot: [EMO] RANTdraycevixen on July 13th, 2013 04:17 am (UTC)

I can't imagine having the church get involved in matters of state, though. What happened to the separation of church and state?

Endless lip service and sod all else. MG has remarked before that he finds it hysterical that I'm from a country with an official state religion and yet any English politician who dragged religion in to politics would be openly mocked. Meanwhile it's brought up ALL the time here in politics.
miwahni: Cats Talk to the pawmiwahni on July 13th, 2013 04:24 am (UTC)
Two issues here that see religion brought into politics are gay marriage and abortion, and it's the "antis" who bring it up.
Now there are rumblings about the leader of the current Opposition - the Liberal National Party - (read: Republicans / Conservatives) who is known to be religious. It's almost certain that his party will regain power at the election later this year, and the concerns are that the gay marriage bill will never get passed once the Libs are in power.
Strike while the irony is hot: [EMO] RANTdraycevixen on July 13th, 2013 04:32 am (UTC)

Those are the big two here as well but really it comes up all the time and as said in my first comment some ministers here will even preach on who their flock should vote for.

I've nothing against people of faith but there's such a high percentage of religious conservatism here that it's ridiculous.
miwahni: Aussie Aussie Aussiemiwahni on July 13th, 2013 07:13 am (UTC)
My history is a bit sketchy, but wasn't the USA founded as a religious colony? Could explain the power of the pulpit, or at least explain why they think it's okay to bring politics into religion. Whereas Australia was a penal colony. (someone once said to me, here on LJ, that they'd never want to visit Australia because that's where England sent all its convicts. To which I replied I'd never want to visit England, because that's where all the convicts came from ;-) of course it didn't stop me from going)
Strike while the irony is hot: [EMATE] CUPPAdraycevixen on July 13th, 2013 01:45 pm (UTC)

Sort of... Yes, there were the English puritans who set up shop in New England and continued to persecute each other but there were also the English colonies that resulted from the expansion of English influence and the younger sons of noble families, merchants and indentured servants going there to make their fortunes... or least get some land. America has been, in essence, the (fortune making) promised land for people from all over the world though and even when the US first became an independent country it was only because the people in charge (at the time) were of English descent that Americans speak English as the majority of the population at the time were German speakers (the US still has no official language).

The US, like almost every "first world" country in the world has a chequered history at best. The sheer size of the beast meant there was a lot of isolation, still is, and so it meant a lot of ideas weren't challenged. It's interesting to note that all the protestant denominations I've ran across here are the extremely conservative version... meanwhile the American Catholic church is one of the most laid back takes on it I've ever seen.

As to the penal colony, lovely to know that ignorance is alive and well and I love your response. :D
Merlin Pendragon: Pont de Québecmrlnpndrgn on July 12th, 2013 02:51 pm (UTC)
A month worth of food?

With 6 children, my mother would have needed commercial sized appliances ;-/

Pizza : we began having it in the sixties. I remember my mother making it from scratch. Except that she soon got tired of working several hours to make something that would disappear in our stomachs inside 10 minutes (see earlier, re 6 children).

Gave up on religion when I was 16 too. Nowadays, when I get inside a church, it's more often for a funeral; and sometimes, a wedding :-)
miwahni: MFU  Fascinatingmiwahni on July 13th, 2013 04:17 am (UTC)
A month worth of food?

We always had big bags of flour and rice stored in the garage, huge tins of canned fruit, dried juice, etc. Also a cupboard crammed with soap, toothpaste, toilet paper, cleaning compounds, shampoo etc. At present I have enough supplies in my house that I could survive the zombie apocalypse.

I guess having six kids would have made stocking-up like that difficult.
Merlin Pendragon: Avatar hivernalmrlnpndrgn on July 13th, 2013 04:27 am (UTC)
At present I have enough supplies in my house that I could survive the zombie apocalypse.

I might survive for a couple of week (if you remove fresh stuff). Maybe... ;-/

I guess having six kids would have made stocking-up like that difficult.

And expensive... My father was a paper mill worker. Money was coming each week, but there wasn't that much of it...

If I remember correctly, when my father retired at 65, my weekly wage was higher than his ;-/

miwahni: Random Rainbow Earthmiwahni on July 13th, 2013 07:16 am (UTC)
Really when you think about it, and compare our lives to our parents', we do have it a lot better on the whole.
Merlin Pendragon: Drapeau SLSJmrlnpndrgn on July 13th, 2013 12:14 pm (UTC)
Really when you think about it, and compare our lives to our parents', we do have it a lot better on the whole

Oh yes! My mother was used up by pregnancies by the time she was 40, and my father retired at 65 already sick with Alzheimer's ;-(

I do it have easy : retiring at 57 was not even possible then.

And it might soon not be possible again!